I am curious on going to extremes to protect my privacy online. I understand that Deeper Connect all variants log your use but not other users using your node. If I want to be extra vigilant and have no logs of my own activity, can I use a VPN so that the Deeper connect mini and will that circumvent any logs on my deeper connect being generated?
I understand that Deeper Connect all variants log your use but not other users using your node.
I don’t think you understand because the logs on your Deeper Device will log other users activity. It’s an extra layer of protection.
If I want to be extra vigilant and have no logs of my own activity…
You do not have a choice of your logs, if you are using another users node, THEY have the logs of your activity, for their protection.
If you want to run a VPN on top of using the DPN, you’ll deal with degraded speeds and whatever the policies are for their logging. Also the users node you connect to will still log the activity.
It sounds like you are misunderstanding the Deeper Connect “logs” that are on individual user’s devices. There are other posts on this subreddit about this topic, but those of us who are long time users understand why adding a VPN on top is not a value-add. Using an additional VPN potentially adds another vulnerability, unless you are using open source software hosted on your own VPS as the VPN server. That requires more configuration, but it is probably the way to go for those truly concerned about logging, but then your speeds will be affected. It just seems like an unnecessary step with the DPN.
Many big VPN companies may say they don’t keep logs, but do you really know if that is true and is there a way for you to even verify that their “no-log” policy is truly in effect? That question is why it may make sense to cascade 2 VPNs when you use a budget or free VPN provider. There is no such question with the Deeper Network devices and no reason why you’d want to use another VPN in conjunction with the Deeper Connect DPN (in full route mode). There is no central logging mechanism in place to be concerned about. So it isn’t being extra vigilant. It is more like trying to solve a problem that doesn’t exist, while introducing new problems and side effects. Don’t do it. If you care about privacy the DPN is great and probably sufficient. It should also be noted that DNS queries seem to happen at your exit node so encrypted DNS doesn’t add much value either. I’ve tried, but all it did was add latency to my DNS queries. The exit node, where the DPN decryption takes place, will still use whatever the exit node ISP is using between you and the internet. I can’t actually change that on my main ISP combo box, so whoever uses my DCM as an exit node is getting standard unencrypted DNS. DoH (DNS over HTTPS), of course, interferes with the blocklist so you need that off. You don’t know have to worry about somebody keeping logs and aggregating your surfing habits with the DPN though. That is the beauty of decentralization.
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Thanks for the in-depth post. I think I am misunderstanding the deeper connect network. I have ordered the mini so I haven’t had a chance to see the logs on the deeper device.
My understanding was that your device logs your data to prove in the event that you were being investigated that you were not responsible for an infringement.
So just to confirm I now have an understanding, the deeper network only logs incoming traffic to your node but doesn’t record the incoming traffics IP and it doesn’t log any of your activity leaving your deeper device that you generate.
I think the Deeper Connect Mini is a great little product. I’ve been daily driving since it launched. It has gone through numerous improvements throughout that time. Your understanding is correct. When we are talking about the logs, they are under the “sharing” tab. Your own traffic is not even logged on your own device. I’m not even sure what purpose that would even serve it if was. The logs even obfuscate the users accessing the web through your device, in that the full IP address isn’t even shown. It has been that way for a while now. My own filters are enforced for anyone going through my node as well. You can even disallow torrenting if you want. The “logs” just have entries like this:
2023-05-08 05:14:38 xxx.xxx.12.34 accessed UDP 185.125.190.56:123
2023-05-08 05:14:24 xxx.xxx.56.78 accessed TCP 104.21.22.201:443 (dbg.deepernetwork.org)
2023-05-08 05:14:06 xxx.xxx.12.34 accessed TCP 163.47.8.235:80 (gc-geoip-sg.deepernetworks.net)
I’ve changed the 2 bytes that actually were shown in the logs while leaving the IP that was accessed, but nobody is having their privacy infringed upon by this IMHO. It can prove that you weren’t responsible for some shady traffic that may have gone through your node if authorities are asking you questions. If it got really bad, Deeper Network could help explain that the traffic came from elsewhere. The bottom line is that this isn’t really “logging” like VPN companies do. This log really only serves to prove what you didn’t access.