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Proton Mail app is running perfectly on graphene.
The Tracking protection feature is planned. First the app had to be rewritten.
Does Proton Mail not work on graphene? If it’s just an app you can get from Aurora or sandboxed Play Store, then an update (which adds tracking protection) should also be delivered to graphene, right?
(I am currently considering migrating to graphene)
Works on graphnese as well as LineageOS
You can use thunderbird with the bridge. Proton Mail Bridge Thunderbird setup guide for Windows, macOS, and Linux | Proton
I would like to test that, but I don’t know how. Quite some time ago, when clicking on a link in Thunderbird, it would ask if I wanted to open the cleaned or tracked URL or cancel with a popup with the 3 buttons. Is that how Proton does it too? I would do my own test, but I’ll have to wait for an email to come in and I’ll certainly forget by then
No, it is working differently. The link in the email is cleaned. Through the tracker button (see screenshots Enhanced tracking protection | Proton) you can access all the URLS and compare between the normal and the cleaned ones. (and if needed/wanted, open them all from there also)
Yeah of course its theorically possible, but :
- You can still use the original link on ProtonMail, or even desactivate the url cleaner, but that’ll kinda break the “why” you pay… But Proton give you more possibilities than others mail services on that point, so that can’t be something “against” the fact of switching to Proton. Its not a jail, but another option given to the Proton users ;
- In wich situation a sender would want to send a link that would be impossible to use without tracker ? The links with trackers are mostly ads for products or services, why a brand would block access to it from new users ?
- On the legal aspect of this, I’m not really sure that blocking users that don’t use a tracked link is respecting EU RGPD or others privacy-related law (even if currently, a lot of companies don’t respect some aspect of the RGPD like cookies opt off right) ;
- When is the last time you got a mail wich countained a link that you wanted to visit that wasn’t something already on the public internet ? (So you don’t need any link, tracked or not, to go to the page) I don’t remember personnaly been in this kind of situation ;
- Would you really use a service that push that much the tracking of their users ? If you want to switch to Proton, I can bet that because you value your privacy, so I don’t think you would want to use that kind of services.
My suggestion is to try the free version ProtonMail out for a few months to see if it matches your needs and preferences for handling email. Many have no issues at all using Proton, but for some the differences between Proton and Gmail or Outlook (OWA) do require a change in how they handle messages. I’m a heavy OWA user and the biggest productivity banes for me are not having an easy way to pop-out existing or new messages in their own window, to flag a message for follow-up with a specific reminder time, and to attach or share a file from my cloud storage. Also, since calendar is also a critical business feature for email, you may need to consider that product’s limitations as well.
You might want to check out protonmail.uservoice.com to see what others are suggesting as improvements.
IPv6 is the majority protocol in several big countries already: IPv6 – Google
The idea of expiration on an encryption key is the same as with your passport. If you lose your key, or if it gets stolen/copied you only need to keep tabs on the lost key until its expiration date. Otherwise we would have ever growing revocation lists everywhere (and not everyone checks revocation lists). The idea of creating a key that is used to encrypt and sign an email in order to prove it is me, without an expiration date, and hand over control to someone else as well (proton)… That’s just not how you build PKI.
I like proton, they’re doing great work, but I’m still waiting for better connectivity and better security until I move over more of my mail to them.
You do, but its an on/off service. You cant say “I dont mind trackers from [email protected]”
You don’t need to actively “maintain” self hosted mail servers nowadays. It can run for years without requiring any kind of manual maintenance with autoupdates. Bunch of solutions are available such as mailcow, docker mailserver and others. Domains and hosting can be prepaid for years to come.
Fun fact: Subject lines are not required fields when sending an email.
Using computer and email is not required as well.
True. But I don’t think it’s much more than they can get from the sender and recipient names.
Sure, but you can encrypt them E2E for storage . ProtonMail does not do that. So if LEA comes with subpoena to get all the information about your account, they get all subject lines, recipients and senders. Literally all metadata. Basic self hosted server with FDE is protecting you against this. When they come to seize your FDE server, they get nothing.
I think you’ve missed the news as I did a couple of times in this post. Or maybe they reinstated it and i missed that.
This is 2 year old post. I’m talking about new one from few weeks ago. Paying even once for subscription is not protecting you anymore from account deletion. Only those with current ongoing subscription wil have their accounts retained
https://www.reddit.com/r/ProtonMail/comments/1bzt1ka/protons_new_policy_for_free_inactive_accounts/
Ooh very good to know, thanks. Even though I like Proton, Gmail gives an unreasonably large amount of storage. And if it costs them to store stuff that they can’t even read, all the better.
The app works on graphene. Yes to the update questions.
Yes works on grapheneOS, you can even download via the apk to avoid google play store, aura store, fdroid, and you can use/install the web app which acts like an app but lacks features of an app
Is the bridge open source? Can it be integrated into Thunderbird itself so that it would natively support Proton?
What about other traditional clients such as Alpine/Claws/mutt?
You make good points, but I’ve gotten used to being surprised by how low companies will go and people still patronise them.
Would you really use a service that push that much the tracking of their users
If they have correspondingly low prices, yes. I use Aliexpress, which is based in China. I try to protect myself, but I still use them. I also have an Epic Games account, and play games with Easy Anticheat. I think it’s less invasive than Valorant’s Vanguard, but I could be wrong. My point is, I shamefully capitulate when services would be taken away if I don’t. That’s why Proton is so important to me. I’m going to have email regardless. $3.5 a month buys me satisfaction and pride.
I already bought the sub lol
At a certain point, it went beyond my needs. I’ll play around with the desktop and web apps, but there’s always the option to bridge into Thunderbird. I barely use calendar at all, so anything is an improvement.
When I say beyond my needs, I mean the Proton team and Andy Yen himself conduct themselves more like a pillar of a community than a corporation. I have great respect for that, and I would donate $90 to their cause. If I get mail, drive, and calendar out of it, even better.
Let’s not forget the fact that it is a much better and more generous inactivity policy than the competitors have.
Anyhow, for examples like the one mentioned above:
If you are subject to unsurmountable circumstances that won’t allow you to stay active on your Account in a period of 12 months, please contact our Customer Support so that they can prevent deletion under this section.
Can make use of that.